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		<title>Comment on A Button Without The Treat by jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jens: The situation you are describing is still one in which there is a feedback loop.  For friends A, B, and C, each of their +1&#039;s might have an effect in this manner: A-&gt;B, B-&gt;C, C-&gt;A.  Thus, what comes from A eventually gets back to A.  That is still a loop.

However, that loop is indirect and has no guarantees of being closed.  And moreover it is not transparent, which means that it is very difficult for the user to see that it is happening.

There is a possibility that +1 will still work as envisioned; however that will require an awareness of the social aspect that you mention.  Do you perhaps have a proposal as to how this awareness could be increased?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jens: The situation you are describing is still one in which there is a feedback loop.  For friends A, B, and C, each of their +1&#8242;s might have an effect in this manner: A->B, B->C, C->A.  Thus, what comes from A eventually gets back to A.  That is still a loop.</p>
<p>However, that loop is indirect and has no guarantees of being closed.  And moreover it is not transparent, which means that it is very difficult for the user to see that it is happening.</p>
<p>There is a possibility that +1 will still work as envisioned; however that will require an awareness of the social aspect that you mention.  Do you perhaps have a proposal as to how this awareness could be increased?</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Button Without The Treat by Jens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with you entirely, I&#039;d just like to mention that feedback does not necessarily imply a feedback loop.

Beyond linguistic nitpicking, I think that the reward to the user does not need to come directly from their own feedback (as it would when using relevance feedback to improve the current search).  In the case of Facebook, the reward is social, and rather indirect.  Sharing an item does not directly let you find more items of interest, instead you are giving something to your friends (who will hopefully be grateful rather than annoyed).  In turn, you will be given shared items by your friends, but it is not a direct exchange.  While in some cases there is a more direct loop in the form of comments, I don&#039;t think that&#039;s the predominant case.

For +1 to succeed there are different ways.  One is using the feedback directly to profile the user and improve search results (an advantage for Google over other such systems).  The other is making users understand that they are helping their friends, and that they benefit from their friends&#039; suggestions, emphasizing the social aspect of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with you entirely, I&#8217;d just like to mention that feedback does not necessarily imply a feedback loop.</p>
<p>Beyond linguistic nitpicking, I think that the reward to the user does not need to come directly from their own feedback (as it would when using relevance feedback to improve the current search).  In the case of Facebook, the reward is social, and rather indirect.  Sharing an item does not directly let you find more items of interest, instead you are giving something to your friends (who will hopefully be grateful rather than annoyed).  In turn, you will be given shared items by your friends, but it is not a direct exchange.  While in some cases there is a more direct loop in the form of comments, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the predominant case.</p>
<p>For +1 to succeed there are different ways.  One is using the feedback directly to profile the user and improve search results (an advantage for Google over other such systems).  The other is making users understand that they are helping their friends, and that they benefit from their friends&#8217; suggestions, emphasizing the social aspect of it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Button Without The Treat by jeremy</title>
		<link>http://irgupf.com/2011/06/13/a-button-without-the-treat/comment-page-1/#comment-94471</link>
		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Touche. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Touche. <img src='http://irgupf.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on A Button Without The Treat by Jon</title>
		<link>http://irgupf.com/2011/06/13/a-button-without-the-treat/comment-page-1/#comment-94467</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 13:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+1</description>
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		<title>Comment on +1 is Explicit, but is not Relevance Feedback by A Button Without The Treat &#171; Information Retrieval Gupf</title>
		<link>http://irgupf.com/2011/04/07/1-is-explicit-but-not-feedback/comment-page-1/#comment-94464</link>
		<dc:creator>A Button Without The Treat &#171; Information Retrieval Gupf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on +1 is Explicit, but is not Relevance Feedback by They Won People Over By A Logical Argument &#171; Information Retrieval Gupf</title>
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		<dc:creator>They Won People Over By A Logical Argument &#171; Information Retrieval Gupf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on +1 is Explicit, but is not Relevance Feedback by jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 21:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For example, given that you and your friends are not only coffee snobs, but hipster coffee snobs, you might want to use your +1 to find cafes that your friends don&#039;t know about yet.  Imagine that one of those coffee shops is in an out-of-the-way area.  You give it your +1, and then the search engine says, &quot;oh, you like what this page is about?  Let me find more pages that exhibit similar traits&quot;.  So it goes and it finds another unknown cafe three blocks over from your +1&#039;ed cafe.  Lo and behold, none of your friends know about it yet; there are no friend +1&#039;s attached to is.  You go there, enjoy yourself immensely, and then you can be the uberhipster...because you might not want to +1 that link at all.  You found it by using your own +1 (aka explicit) action on a &lt;i&gt;different&lt;/i&gt; link, rather than relying on the +1 of your friends.

(And note that at the end of the day, you didn&#039;t actually +1 this second cafe.  You only found it via your own +1 on the first cafe.  So you can keep the secret to yourself a little bit longer if you want.)

This is the second use case, the thing that +1 doesn&#039;t actually do, that I wish it did.  And it&#039;s called &quot;relevance feedback&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For example, given that you and your friends are not only coffee snobs, but hipster coffee snobs, you might want to use your +1 to find cafes that your friends don&#8217;t know about yet.  Imagine that one of those coffee shops is in an out-of-the-way area.  You give it your +1, and then the search engine says, &#8220;oh, you like what this page is about?  Let me find more pages that exhibit similar traits&#8221;.  So it goes and it finds another unknown cafe three blocks over from your +1&#8242;ed cafe.  Lo and behold, none of your friends know about it yet; there are no friend +1&#8242;s attached to is.  You go there, enjoy yourself immensely, and then you can be the uberhipster&#8230;because you might not want to +1 that link at all.  You found it by using your own +1 (aka explicit) action on a <i>different</i> link, rather than relying on the +1 of your friends.</p>
<p>(And note that at the end of the day, you didn&#8217;t actually +1 this second cafe.  You only found it via your own +1 on the first cafe.  So you can keep the secret to yourself a little bit longer if you want.)</p>
<p>This is the second use case, the thing that +1 doesn&#8217;t actually do, that I wish it did.  And it&#8217;s called &#8220;relevance feedback&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on +1 is Explicit, but is not Relevance Feedback by jeremy</title>
		<link>http://irgupf.com/2011/04/07/1-is-explicit-but-not-feedback/comment-page-1/#comment-88955</link>
		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 21:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sam.  I&#039;m Jeremy, not Sharoda :-)  http://irgupf.com/about/

But yes, you are absolutely correct.  The point of +1 is to help my friends find things that I have already found.  But what +1 does not do is help me find things that I have not yet found, to go deeper into a set of results by reshuffling around the results of my search, so as to more closely match the information found in the thing that I have +1&#039;ed.  The whole point of my post was to clearly distinguish these two use cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sam.  I&#8217;m Jeremy, not Sharoda <img src='http://irgupf.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   <a href="http://irgupf.com/about/" rel="nofollow">http://irgupf.com/about/</a></p>
<p>But yes, you are absolutely correct.  The point of +1 is to help my friends find things that I have already found.  But what +1 does not do is help me find things that I have not yet found, to go deeper into a set of results by reshuffling around the results of my search, so as to more closely match the information found in the thing that I have +1&#8242;ed.  The whole point of my post was to clearly distinguish these two use cases.</p>
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		<title>Comment on +1 is Explicit, but is not Relevance Feedback by Sam</title>
		<link>http://irgupf.com/2011/04/07/1-is-explicit-but-not-feedback/comment-page-1/#comment-88953</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 21:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this, Sharoda. This was my mid-day distraction+coffee fix. Besides your suggestion that explicit feedback on specific results could be helpful for mid-search refinement, the argument that most interested me:

&lt;blockquote&gt;If you have a precision-oriented need, then you don’t need explicit relevance feedback.  You are more than likely fine with a system that trains itself on both the explicit and implicit actions of other users (either worldwide or even just your friends — still is training data) so as to make your search for [coffee shop chicago] a little better.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Unless I misunderstand what the explicit actions of others users/friends are, isn&#039;t this just the point of +1? Producing a clearer signal for ranking searches like this? I would imagine the explicit recommendations of my friends for [coffee shop seattle], for instance, is much better than click-through at finding me a coffee shop I would actually like, given that my friends and I are hipster café snobs. I would think that, when my friends google [coffee shop seattle], they are browsing more than anything, sullying click-through&#039;s signal-to-noise wrt my results.

Perhaps this is something you had in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this, Sharoda. This was my mid-day distraction+coffee fix. Besides your suggestion that explicit feedback on specific results could be helpful for mid-search refinement, the argument that most interested me:</p>
<blockquote><p>If you have a precision-oriented need, then you don’t need explicit relevance feedback.  You are more than likely fine with a system that trains itself on both the explicit and implicit actions of other users (either worldwide or even just your friends — still is training data) so as to make your search for [coffee shop chicago] a little better.</p></blockquote>
<p>Unless I misunderstand what the explicit actions of others users/friends are, isn&#8217;t this just the point of +1? Producing a clearer signal for ranking searches like this? I would imagine the explicit recommendations of my friends for [coffee shop seattle], for instance, is much better than click-through at finding me a coffee shop I would actually like, given that my friends and I are hipster café snobs. I would think that, when my friends google [coffee shop seattle], they are browsing more than anything, sullying click-through&#8217;s signal-to-noise wrt my results.</p>
<p>Perhaps this is something you had in mind.</p>
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		<dc:creator>FXPAL Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Released: Reverted Indexing source code</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] one who bundled the code together and pushed it out, much of the credit for this work belongs to Jeremy Pickens who conceived of the idea in the first place. Of course his inspiration was Leif Azzopardi and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] one who bundled the code together and pushed it out, much of the credit for this work belongs to Jeremy Pickens who conceived of the idea in the first place. Of course his inspiration was Leif Azzopardi and [...]</p>
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