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		<title>By: Information Retrieval Gupf &#187; Fast Flip: Is Bing Affecting Google?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Information Retrieval Gupf &#187; Fast Flip: Is Bing Affecting Google?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is more from Ask.com and SearchMe.com as mentioned above.  But as Twitter user @philosophygeek reported in June: &#8220;A Google employee just told me that Bing was the best thing that ever happened to interface [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is more from Ask.com and SearchMe.com as mentioned above.  But as Twitter user @philosophygeek reported in June: &#8220;A Google employee just told me that Bing was the best thing that ever happened to interface [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Dalton</title>
		<link>http://irgupf.com/2009/06/19/semantic-technology-search-panel/comment-page-1/#comment-2529</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Dalton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, I haven&#039;t seen any super-compelling UI innovations to adopt.  Don&#039;t get me wrong, faceted search and exploratory search have their place.  

I think one hard part is to have an innovative UI you have to focus on a specific user task.    The are a variety of tasks that quickly lead to developing application/domain specific interfaces (e.g. planning a trip or finding a hotel, etc...).  From those it&#039;s hard to extract a common pattern.

I look forward to hearing more details on the Semantic search panel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I haven&#8217;t seen any super-compelling UI innovations to adopt.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, faceted search and exploratory search have their place.  </p>
<p>I think one hard part is to have an innovative UI you have to focus on a specific user task.    The are a variety of tasks that quickly lead to developing application/domain specific interfaces (e.g. planning a trip or finding a hotel, etc&#8230;).  From those it&#8217;s hard to extract a common pattern.</p>
<p>I look forward to hearing more details on the Semantic search panel.</p>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
		<link>http://irgupf.com/2009/06/19/semantic-technology-search-panel/comment-page-1/#comment-2424</link>
		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, that&#039;s exactly what I understood your tweet to mean all along -- not that the Google employee was saying Bing was better, but that it finally lit a fire under some of that Google complacency, the complacency (paradigmatic inertia?) that led them to believe that testing 37 shades of blue is &quot;innovation&quot;.  

I wrote about it a bit &lt;a href=&quot;http://irgupf.com/2009/03/19/long-term-versus-evolutionary-thinking-part-2-of-2/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;only a couple of months ago&lt;/a&gt;, but have had the suspicion for years that their own paradigms outweighed anything that the users did or tried to do or asked for.  I.e. a lot of the rules and restrictions around non-minute interface redesign came from top-down decisions and fear of messing up the &quot;magic&quot;, rather than bottom up innovation.  

I don&#039;t know who they are, but there have got to be voices internally at Google who have long wanted to do something like this, add richness and value to the search experience.  I know there are people there who have to have thought about it, no matter what the official &quot;clean (aka sparse) interface trumps all else&quot; line has been.  The time may be right for their coup ;-)  Thanks for getting that fire lit, and I look forward to adding Bing to my search engine rotation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, that&#8217;s exactly what I understood your tweet to mean all along &#8212; not that the Google employee was saying Bing was better, but that it finally lit a fire under some of that Google complacency, the complacency (paradigmatic inertia?) that led them to believe that testing 37 shades of blue is &#8220;innovation&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I wrote about it a bit <a href="http://irgupf.com/2009/03/19/long-term-versus-evolutionary-thinking-part-2-of-2/" rel="nofollow">only a couple of months ago</a>, but have had the suspicion for years that their own paradigms outweighed anything that the users did or tried to do or asked for.  I.e. a lot of the rules and restrictions around non-minute interface redesign came from top-down decisions and fear of messing up the &#8220;magic&#8221;, rather than bottom up innovation.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know who they are, but there have got to be voices internally at Google who have long wanted to do something like this, add richness and value to the search experience.  I know there are people there who have to have thought about it, no matter what the official &#8220;clean (aka sparse) interface trumps all else&#8221; line has been.  The time may be right for their coup <img src='http://irgupf.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Thanks for getting that fire lit, and I look forward to adding Bing to my search engine rotation.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Johnson</title>
		<link>http://irgupf.com/2009/06/19/semantic-technology-search-panel/comment-page-1/#comment-2423</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That tweet was mine and, to be fair to the GOOG employee, I don&#039;t think he should be interpreted as saying that Bing is a superior interface to Google.  Rather, he was saying that Google designers have dominated search engine design for so long, that they&#039;re stuck in their own paradigms.  An outside influence like Bing that presents a reasonable alternative will force Google to rethink some of their interface decisions.  I totally agree!  Competing interface alternatives will result in more innovation and a better experience for users.

Bing it on!
-Mark Johnson, Bing Program Manager</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That tweet was mine and, to be fair to the GOOG employee, I don&#8217;t think he should be interpreted as saying that Bing is a superior interface to Google.  Rather, he was saying that Google designers have dominated search engine design for so long, that they&#8217;re stuck in their own paradigms.  An outside influence like Bing that presents a reasonable alternative will force Google to rethink some of their interface decisions.  I totally agree!  Competing interface alternatives will result in more innovation and a better experience for users.</p>
<p>Bing it on!<br />
-Mark Johnson, Bing Program Manager</p>
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		<title>By: Bing&#8217;s Biggest Impact Yet? Getting the Conversation Started</title>
		<link>http://irgupf.com/2009/06/19/semantic-technology-search-panel/comment-page-1/#comment-2421</link>
		<dc:creator>Bing&#8217;s Biggest Impact Yet? Getting the Conversation Started</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] search, it will be enough of a victory for me to be delighted it&#8217;s there. This blog entry detailing a Google exec&#8217;s gracious consideration of the search newcomer&#8217;... and even lacks what would have been the justifiable reflection that Google, with its &#8220;related [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] search, it will be enough of a victory for me to be delighted it&#8217;s there. This blog entry detailing a Google exec&#8217;s gracious consideration of the search newcomer&#8217;&#8230; and even lacks what would have been the justifiable reflection that Google, with its &#8220;related [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Google&#8217;s Peter Norvig Offers Kind Words for Bing, Exploratory Search &#124; The Noisy Channel</title>
		<link>http://irgupf.com/2009/06/19/semantic-technology-search-panel/comment-page-1/#comment-2420</link>
		<dc:creator>Google&#8217;s Peter Norvig Offers Kind Words for Bing, Exploratory Search &#124; The Noisy Channel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post from our commenter-in-chief Jeremy Pickens on his own blog, Information Retrieval Gupf, about [...]</description>
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